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Athletics bans marching band from football finale

  • BANNED BAND | The Columbia marching band will not be allowed to participate in the season finale against Brown because of a poor choice of lyrics.

The Columbia University Marching Band, long known for controversial and provocative humor, may have crossed a line at last Saturday’s football game in Ithaca, N.Y. As a result, it will not be welcome at this weekend’s season finale against Brown at Baker Field.

The decision came from Columbia's athletic department after it took offense to a parody of “Roar, Lion, Roar” the band sang as the football team exited the field following its ninth loss of the season in as many games.

“The Athletics Program welcomes the band to our football games to promote school spirit and provide fan entertainment,” the athletic department said in a statement. “We believe the actions of the band on Saturday, Nov. 12, were inappropriate and embarrassed our student-athletes, coaches, parents, and fans.”

After the final whistle blew on a 62-41 Cornell win—a game that got away from Columbia after it finished the first half with a six-point lead—the Lions walked to the locker rooms past the band, which was seated in the front row of the bleachers.

“Every time every game ends, we play ‘Roar,’” said José Delgado, CC ’12 and the band’s manager. “There’s music, there’s a part in between when we sing lyrics, and there’s music again—that’s where it happened.”

Rather than singing the traditional lyrics to Columbia’s century-old fight song, many members instead belted an original verse that reflected the losing ways of Lions football—one of a variety of alternative verses that, according to one band member, are meant only for the band bus and Orgo Night, one of the band’s most notable traditions. The first two lines say it all: “We always lose, lose, lose; by a lot, and sometimes by a little.”

According to Delgado, immediately following the incident, a member of the coaching staff confronted the band about the lyrics and the team’s reaction.

“Someone spoke to our drum major, and he told her they were upset about it, and immediately after, we banned those lyrics,” Delgado said.

On Tuesday, Delgado had to tell the rest of the band that it would not be welcome at Columbia’s final game against Brown.

“Our football players, coaches, alumni, [and] parents are extremely hurt, disappointed, and angry by the band’s behavior at Cornell,” Athletic Director M. Dianne Murphy said. “Because of the band’s disrespect for the feelings and efforts of their classmates and fellow Columbians, we believe that allowing the band the opportunity to perform at Lawrence A. Wien Stadium on Saturday undermines the University’s institutional support for our football team.”

The penalty feels particularly harsh for CUMB, which uses halftime of the annual Brown game to officially pass the torch to the next generation of band leadership in a type of “changing of the guard” ceremony.

“It’s our mission to be at every game, so it’s obviously a big deal when we’re not able to be out there and play,” Delgado said. “For our seniors, it was going to be the last home game. We usually, in our halftime script, have senior nicknames and just pretty much dedicate the show to seniors. For graduating seniors, it’s a little difficult to not be able to have that tradition for themselves.”

The band plans to attend the game in plain clothes and without instruments. The ceremony will likely take place instead during the halftime of Saturday night’s men’s basketball game in Levien.

Before elections on Thursday, band leadership met to discuss its reaction and how to move forward given the penalty.

“Although it seems like we have a strained relationship with Athletics right now, it’s not our point or mission to keep it that way,” Delgado said. “It is our intention to try to be a part of this team, try to be a part of school spirit at games, try to have more members every year that attend events, and try to have more music, better music, and be more creative on the field. Moving forward is the theme of the day.”

Other band veterans confirmed that CUMB is still completely committed to supporting Columbia’s athletic teams—especially this football season, despite the team’s poor performance.

“In the three years that I’ve been here, this year’s attendance is the best we’ve had,” band member Rich Medina, CC ’13, said. “There’s no attendance requirement in the band, so anyone who comes to these games goes because they want to be there and support the team.”

This is Columbia football’s worst droughts since it went 44 games without a win from 1983 to 1988, and the temptation to poke fun certainly exists for a group characterized by its unapologetic edge. For Delgado, though, such humor has a time and a place.

“I think it depends on the context of the situation,” Delgado said. “Sometimes people are in the mood to take a joke, and sometimes they’re not. If you don’t know how to navigate that situation, you just should not try to even risk it.”

Despite its controversial and sometimes-offensive antics, the band said that one thing remains constant—its central commitment to the Lions.

“We’re there for them whether they win or lose,” Delgado said. “Obviously we prefer to have a winning team, but in the end, we’ll be there for them. This year we took 50 kids to Princeton, Dartmouth, and Cornell. We’ll always be there, no matter what happens.”

“There are probably few people on campus that care more about the football team than the band does,” Medina agreed. “For all its snark and cynicism, the band is and always has been one of the last bastions of school spirit at Columbia.”

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CU_Alum posted on

"This is one of Columbia football’s worst droughts since it lost 44 straight in the late 1980s..."

The Streak ran from 1983 to 1988.

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ColumbiaSpectator posted on

Thanks for pointing that out. It's been fixed!

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Anonymous posted on

Where can I read the lyrics that the Band sang that got the AD so upset?

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Anonymous posted on

Athletics hates the band. They've been looking for an excuse to ban them for years.

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Anonymous posted on

They have no one but themselves to blame for giving them the excuse to ban them.

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Anonymous posted on

The is Columbia football we're talking about, no? Isn't it *true* that the team almost always loses, mostly by a lot, sometimes by a little? Isn't this the Columbia with a .287 all-time winning percentage?

So what's the problem? The band pointed out the truth?

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Anonymous posted on

My high school football team lost every game for over 5 yrs our band never done that.

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Anonymous posted on

In case you never figured it out, college is NOT high school.  College bands are very different from high school bands when it comes to attitude.  College band members are usually way more spirited for the team, but they're also more provocative and fun-seeking...  High school, not so much.  Man, whenever we get new freshmen who disapprove of traditional behavior of the band, they usually end up quitting because they'll end up bringing us down. Cold hard truth.

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Anonymous posted on

 Athletics doesn't just hate the band.  I'm pretty sure Athletics hates Columbia.

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Anonymous posted on

Have to agree ....... CUMB is mean-spirited  and could be the poster child for bad sportmanship.  It's really embarrassing when youngsters from the community attend the football games .... the parents must cringe b/c the band exemplifies the OPPOSITE of what we all teach our youngsters about good sportsmanship. 
CUMB may view themselves as clever, but they come across as snarky and just a little bit bratty.

Did you see Princeton's band marching in and taking over Harvard's bookstore?  Now that was classic.  And clever.

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Anonymous posted on

CUMB has never made any claims to being kid-friendly... and anyone who thinks that any of the other Ivy bands are any different clearly has never spent any time in the stands with them. visiting bands are consistently shocked at how much Columbia censors both CUMB AND the visiting bands.

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Anonymous posted on

Second all of that. The other bands are constantly shocked by how much the administration reigns the band in. Secondly, parents must cringe? Not all of them. One of the board/bored members' fathers was a football player in the 80's and is a part of the reason why she fell in love with the band. He's even given us donations just for playing "Knocking". The band has actually had alums come up to them at games, including the Cornell game, and thank the band for performing because CUMB was the reason why we came. Finally, the songs are jokes. The cheers are jokes. Yes, they can provoke mixed reactions. But never, ever, ever think that we don't love the football team and that we aren't sincere about it because so often, our jokes overshadow the fact that we love the teams with all our hearts and we are indeed as disheartened as they are when times are bad and as elated as they are when times are great. We go to the away games when cheerleaders don't. We played in a snowstorm a few weeks ago when Yale's band didn't even come to watch. What we appear to lack in tact sometimes, we make up for in heart and in our love for the teams. That, beyond anything, should never be forgotten.

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Karim Delgado posted on

Seriously, shut up. The only reason I've been attending every basketball game since I got here was for the band. They are the most (if not only) spirited folks at this school.

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Anonymous posted on

woot!

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Anonymous posted on

I was in the band (CC'95) and was raised going to Columbia games with my father (a two-sport varsity athlete with at CU), who always wanted to sit by the band--we loved it! Although at that time there weren't women at Columbia, I knew then that if they ever allowed women I would want to attend and would join the band--and I ended up doing just that. G(TB)2

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Anonymous posted on

Um hello what?  This ALUMNA is CC'92 and is sort of surprised to hear there were no women in your class that graduated three years later.

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Anonymous posted on

.......She's clearly referring to her childhood.........when women weren't being admitted.

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pm2112 posted on

If you are really an ALUMNA of Columbia, then you would have read her comment correctly.

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Anonymous posted on

Back when I was in a rival Band, I seem to remember the CUMB talking of Fordham and Alter boys...that and they stole my roommate's underwear when we hosted them in our dorms.  Good riddance. 

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Anonymous posted on

" and they stole my roommate's underwear when we hosted them in our dorms."

As horrific as that experience must have been for you, isn't it really time to move on? I'm just guessing  (and I could very well be wrong), but I'll bet your friend (who was the real victim here by the way-let's never forget that!) has pushed this experience aside, bought a new twelve-pack of boxers at Target, and carried on with his life. Or who knows, maybe he's now experiencing a profound sense of freedom by 'going commando'.At any rate,

Everything Works Out In The End

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Anonymous posted on

this is sad. the marching band is the most consistent supporter of all of the teams of columbia's athletic department, especially the football team. they are at every game, every season, and have NEVER given up on the team, despite many seasons of losing records.

anyone who actually knows the band knows that, despite their antics both on and off the field, their commitment to football team is undying. band members are some of the last true supporters of columbia school spirit. 

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Anonymous posted on

I love the antics, but, they definitely went too far this week.

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Anonymous posted on

The only ones who have "disrespect for the feelings and efforts of their classmates and fellow Columbians" are the idiots in the Athletics department who put together such a historically bad season. I'm sure the band will be back next year. I can only hope the coaching staff won't be.

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ExileInLA posted on

Murphy heard the Harvard Band do "Fight Fiercely, Harvard" once, and thought it should be a role model for the CUMB.  Sigh...   G(TB)2!!  
-- CC 86/L 89/Band Alum who is reconsidering his John Jay pledge.

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Anonymous posted on

Will be withholding my annual alumni donation this year due to this decision. Athletics should not be allowed to slap CUMB around. This is Columbia University, not fucking Clemson.

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Anonymous posted on

The whole thing is pathetic!  If Columbia is going to field a football team, then Columbia should commit to excellence.  It does not reflect well on Columbia to have the worst team in the Ivy League.

The administration is making a big mistake by not making sure that the team has the best players and coaches possible.  A winning football team would increase school spirit and pride and lead to hundreds of millions of dollars in alumni donations.  This may sound stupid, but it is true.  

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Anonymous posted on

May I recommend flooding Athletics with letters?  The darling Dr. Murphy can be reached at mdm2111@columbia.edu...  Start writing, ladies and gents.

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Anonymous posted on

Look, I love the bands but you simply cannot alter the words of the school song. Simply unacceptable. It sounds like the student leader of the band at least acknowledges that. Hopefully it is an educational moment of everyone moves on. 

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Anonymous posted on

There are probably around 30 alternate verses of Roar. That horse has kinda left the barn, and I see no reason why that shouldn't be the case

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Anonymous posted on

Altering the words of the school song, oh you better believe that's a paddlin'

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Anonymous posted on

I love you

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Anonymous posted on

ahaha, silliness

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Anonymous posted on

Hahahhahaha you clearly do not understand anything about Columbia or Roar.

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Anonymous posted on

umm....all bands do that.  we alter other schools' songs too. 

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Anonymous posted on

True that. The only song people don't screw with is Star Spangled. Every other song is fair game.

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Anonymous posted on

Where would "WEIRD AL YANKOVICH" be if people didn't mess with words to songs!

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Anonymous posted on

Tell that to Baltimore Orioles fans.

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Anonymous posted on

Maybe they will also have second thoughts about messing the the National Anthem next time too.

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Anonymous posted on

My personal (un)favorite of the CUMB was last winter when a female member of the band shouted at various members of the opposing team to "DIE!" for 40 minutes. She must have screamed "DIE!" over 500 times for all to hear. Disgraceful. 

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Anonymous posted on

Ah yes.  I believe you're referring to two winters ago, and the bandie in question is one of my favorites. Love her!  <3

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Anonymous posted on

Girl's the best, most spirited bandie we had in my tenure.

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Anonymous posted on

DIE!

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Anonymous posted on

The band probably shouldn't have sung that at the game, right after a loss, but it's not like it isn't true. I know plenty of people who get excited when the band plays at a game. I love the Lions, but I fully recognize that we are a losing team. They love the teams too and are always cheering for them. Just because they pointed out a losing trend doesn't mean they aren't consistently hoping any given game will be the one to break it. I think this whole situation was more bad timing than bad attitude.

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Anonymous posted on

Little bit over the top for the band to do this. I don't really see how this is supporting the program, despite their past history- by mocking our school song? Right move by athletics admin. The football players - win or lose - are fellow students and don't deserve this sarcastic and disrespectful antic by the "band."

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Anonymous posted on

It's hard not to appreciate the band's contributions to life at Columbia, football and otherwise. If they did do as reported here, OK, that's a bit much, and not really necessary or in keeping with the group's legendary cleverness. But the Athletic Department doesn't have to hit them with a sledge hammer either. There must be a better way - something that doesn't also penalize the rest of the student body by removing the band's spirit from the stands, thereby detracting from the experience of all the players and spectators, especially seniors at their final game. Ms. Murphy: rethink, please.  

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Anonymous posted on

What a disappointing reaction on the part of the athletic department...a lot of focus has been put on the band seniors, but it's a disservice to the seniors on the football team as well. After four years playing a game you love and wearing the Light Blue, one of the best and most bittersweet moments of your career is gathering to sing "Sans Souci" with your teammates for the last time. Without the band playing along, this moment will be hollow, if it occurs at all. The game day atmosphere will be severely diminished without the CUMB, and I hope the athletic department understands just how much. 

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Anonymous posted on

The Band also usually plays Fanfares as each senior player takes the field. It's one of my favorite moments each football season. As a senior bandie, it's disappointing to not get the recognition that other classes have received, but I am just as disappointed and incredibly sad that I don't get to play and honor the senior players. I love the football team and will be back at all the home games next year cheering them on.

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Anonymous posted on

Bad judgement by bandies- not all snark is funny; appropriate response by head manager, huge overreaction by CUAthletics . Band is the band and the group will make errors in jugement- they are young and comedy is much harder than tragedy. Don't think the CUAAplans to ban all the players who screwed up an assignment or missed a tackle from playing next week. Band should apologize to coach and players (not CUA) and hopefully everyone moves on. I played a brass instrument in the snow in support of a team that did not win much (except for one magical year) and got up at 4 or 5 am to ride to  away games. That was many years ago but bandies have been doing the same ever since. Give em a break!! BTW, the band was never considered an athletic team (with good reason) so what up with the control by the athletic dept rather than civilian authorities?

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Anonymous posted on

well said!

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Anonymous posted on

Very well put. Unfortunately the song was not the only thing they messed with that day that was inappropriate and action is needed. CUMB don't change a thing, just be a little more careful in the future and don't disrespect the school song or National Anthem again.

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Anonymous posted on

Was it a bad decision by the bandies? Yes.  On the other hand, I can see
getting caught up in the disappointment of losing, again, that it felt
good to say.  There are a lot of things sports fans say at games that
are inappropriate.  I've personally said things at games that are
completely embarrassing when I'm not pumped up on adrenaline. 
And it's not as if it wasn't true that the team had just lost. Again.

Apologizing to the team makes sense.  Student athletes are the band member's peers and classmates, not professional athletes they have no personal relationship with.  Even some form of censure makes
sense (from Athletics' point of view).  But to bar the band from
performing at the last home game of the season is completely out of
proportion to the offense. 

It's not just the band, although my heart breaks for their seniors, it's
also that it's the close of the season, and it's going to be diminished
without the band.  

Also, the words weren't to the school song.  They were the fight song, and if you think most schools don't have alternate verses to their fight songs, you're wrong.  The Columbia University school song is "Sans Souci," which needs no alternate verses since it's the same as the German national anthem.

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Anonymous posted on

> The Columbia University school song is "Sans Souci," which needs no alternate verses since it's the same as the German national anthem.

     Uh, no. The UNIVERSITY alma mater, "Stand Columbia," is to the tune of "Deutschland Ueber Alles." "Sans Souci" is an old drinking song. But yes, students play around with the words to fight songs. Fine. This time, in this place, they shouldn't have. But talk about overkill! No way should everyone, including the team's departing seniors, suffer for it. But then, how much does the Athletics Director know about traditions at Columbia? How much does she know beyond the blinders she wears to focus on the team? (How effective is she at that last? Another story.)

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Anonymous posted on

Finally. They needed to be shut up. If you can't play music and aren't funny, then why the hell should everyone be forced to listen to you?

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Anonymous posted on

I hear you whining, but you can't come in.

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Anonymous posted on

Dr. Murphy? Is that you?

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Anonymous posted on

And the hundreds of people that pack Butler for Orgo Night just to hear the Band's jokes totally agree with you. Carry on, Band. If they're shooting at you, you must be doing something right.

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Anonymous posted on

agreed

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Anonymous posted on

You want some cheese to go with your WHINE?!!!!

Wear earplugs if you cannot appreciate their playing!

As a member of a fellow Ivy band, it gets my blood boiling when people make comments like this.

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Anonymous posted on

adsads

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Anonymous posted on

You want some cheese to go with your WHINE?!!!!!

If you have such a problem with their playing, WHERE EARPLUGS!!!!

As a current member of an Ivy band, it gets my blood boiling when someone tells me and my bandmates to shut up.  Talk about being disrespectful.

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Anonymous posted on

As an alumnus who was a student when M. Dianne Murphy became head of Athletics, I think there is a larger issue here. Despite trying to display a more professional image to those outside the Columbia community, Columbia Athletics under Dr. Murphy has a history of being disrespectful and vindictive toward various student groups, even when those groups go out of their way to try to accommodate and help Athletics when they don't have to.

At the same time, Athletics has taken a number of actions that make the experience of going to a game less enjoyable for students and (non-wealthy) alumni. Whenever I give money to Columbia in the future, I will make sure that nothing goes to Athletics until they realize that they're a college (and Ivy League) athletic department, not in a pro league, where money is all that matters, and not in some children's league, where everything has to be sanitized so that even a two-year-old won't ever be offended.

Remember: Support the team, not the policy.

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Anonymous posted on

A couple of points here: 

1. The band may have not shown the best judgment in singing the alternate version of Roar, Lion at that time. That being said, banning the band from the last game of the season seems to be a harsh punishment for their crime. 

2. Several posters noted that they would withhold their contributions to CU over this incident. I would make this very clear to Columbia in writing in the next couple of days and explain that this is related to the banning of the band.

3. It's my understanding that Roar Lion is the fight song, Sans Souci is the Columbia College Alma Mater and Stand Columbia is the university Alma Mater. Apart from the band and a handful of other student groups, who knows the words to any of these songs? A lot of people talk about being a CU football fan but are they are every game, every week for the entire season and do they stay until the end, win or lose?

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Anonymous posted on

Sadly I see that nothing has changed.   In my role as Head Manager of the Marching Band, I was thrown out of then AD Al Paul's office for taking exception to his derogatory treatment of the band.  You will never find a more dedicated group of fans than the Marching Band.  I will never forget traveling in the snow to Dartmouth for a basketball game.  There were more of us at the game than Dartmouth fans.  We also got along with the football team.  They knew that when they played like crap, they were going to hear from us.  They also knew that we would be there every minute of every game. It's sad that Ms. Murphy is so ignorant.  

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Anonymous posted on

I'm certain that the Band will be missed at the Brown game, both by fans and the team. It's been a tough week for college athletics, this may have been an overreaction, just let it pass and show your support by not making a fuss over it. 

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Anonymous posted on

Football team loses every game this season.  Marching band is punished.

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Anonymous posted on

The band, unlike the football team, will always remain undefeated.

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Anonymous posted on

the band always wins!

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Anonymous posted on

I think the marching band is annoying, especially when they think they are being funny. 

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Anonymous posted on

I was on the fence about going to the game this weekend. With the losing streak and now the band gone, there's really not much to see.

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Anonymous posted on

What was the point of singing this song again? I would just like to add that I actually heard the exact same thing at a volleyball game this season although it wasn't very loud...I only heard because I was sitting very close to them so I didn't really pay much attention to it. Volleyball had a great record this year soooo that was unjustified. This was just a really dumb decision on the bands part. Who did they think would find it funny? 

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Anonymous posted on

Well done Columbia Band. Your athletics department has always been the worst in the league when it comes to dealing with bands, yours and us visiting folk. Give them hell. 

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Anonymous posted on

It used to be that Cornell was easily the worst experience for the opposing team's fans. I'll give you one guess which Columbia Athletic Director used to be there...

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Anonymous posted on

From a member of the Princeton band to a member of our band via facebook:

"Yo, can you send my apologies to your friends in the Columbia band for the most recent injustice done to the CUMB? It's really shitty, and as a band member of a terrible football school I understand that people often don't appreciate the fact that the band is there for every game, win or lose. Or lose. Or lose."
As always, thank you for the love, fellow bands.

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Anonymous posted on

Oh hey, that was me! I'll be playing with extra intensity and cheering with extra pride in honor of you guys this weekend at Dartmouth!

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Anonymous posted on

Agreed.  2 cheers for Columbia!  Columbia!

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Anonymous posted on

This is absolutely true. Every time the Penn Band has dealt with the Columbia AD, they've treated us like scum. Their disrespect towards some of the only people who actually care about the team is disgusting.

Rock on, CUMB!

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Anonymous posted on

Okay, maybe not like scum. That's a little harsh, I'm sorry. But they have been quite difficult, and they don't often give us time to even have a half-decent show.

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Anonymous posted on

Guys?  Can I just say, as a member of the CUMB, that it is so nice to hear support from our Ivy band comrades.  Even if we might steal each others' underwear. <3

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Anonymous posted on

Maybe an alternative solution for M.Dianne would be to create a winning football program? I doubt the band would then be singing "Lose, lose, lose". I guess, however, that would require an athletic department that is competent, rather than the group of clowns that are led by Murphy. That said, smart move on her part. The more that she can shift the public discourse away from the trainwreck that is the football team, the less of a focus there is on her abject failure as an athletic director.

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Anonymous posted on

The "marching band" is honestly an embarrassment to our athletics program. If you want to do your silly dances and stupid songs do them somewhere else. Not on the field where our athletes shed their blood, sweat, and tears while you eat twinkies and play the tuba.

Its sad that you feel entitled to use athletics as your venue. I hope you know that the majority of CU fans are ashamed every single time you guys play. Truth.

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Anonymous posted on

And the sand comes raining down from the heavens...

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Anonymous posted on

Not truth. I'm a CU fan and I love it when the band plays. Also, if people hated the band so much, why would they come to Orgo Night in droves every year, twice a year? Just because you're cranky doesn't mean the rest of the world is.

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Anonymous posted on

Also, in case you missed it, the Band is not in fact part of the Athletics program.......just FYI.

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Anonymous posted on

The biggest embarrassment to the athletics program is the athletics program.

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Anonymous posted on

Should the band have sung the verse in public? No. Is this a completely disproportionate response to one verse of a song? Yes. 

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Anonymous posted on

Shame on the Columbia band. You don't belong on a football field, you are not a marching band and you don't get it. You are attention seeking spoiled brats trying to be funny and you are not, ever! Out there for the team, yeah right...you couldn't even begin to know when the team made a first down much less a touchdown. You are there to play your instruments with each other and act stupid.....not to support the team.

Pre game you turn our national anthem into a total disgrace, during your horrendous pre game performance on the field. I cringed wearing blue  as the entire stadium stood to honor our flag and listen to this disgusting parody of the national anthem. At  the end of the game, you totally INSULT a group of young men who have never given up this year,with a parody of of the fight song. Really...this was supposed to be funny? It was disgraceful and stupid.
I am the parent of a senior football player and for four years I have been amazed at just how stupid this band is. You have not added one bit of enjoyment, spirit or enthusiasm to a game I have attended. As usual, it was all about YOU!  If one penny of my tuition went to support this organization, I want my money back.Thank God I do not have to listen to this band one more time. Play your instruments in your closets....that is where you belong....not at a sporting event. 

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Actually, we know what's going on. We play Who Owns New York at every first down, we play Roar when a touchdown hits and certain cheers are in response to referee calls. I actually learned how football works FROM an upperclassman bandie at my first game and my best friend from out of state actually told me how thrilled he was to be around people who actually knew how football worked at a football game for once. Guess which student group he was sitting with...

In response to the national anthem, we weren't actually expecting the entire stadium to stand up for it. It's a version of the song we call "Techno Anthem" and was played because our pre-game performance was a sketch. It was a football game within a football game. I'm sorry to hear that you didn't like our pre-game performance but I would like to mention that we have received both positive and negative reactions to our shows in the past. It goes along with being a performance group. Thank you for your opinion.
As far as your opinions of us...once again, thank you for your opinion. We respectfully will be there at the game. As a student section. Cheering the team we're supporting. Because that's one of the most important lessons I've learned in my time as a bandie: that I love my school and I love my team(s). So I'm looking forward to supporting them and I'm looking forward to performing at Basketball that night. And we'll see you there. 

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Anonymous posted on

*at every down, not just first down

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You really had to do that on Veteran's Day weekend. Not very smart.

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Anonymous posted on

There's an ex-marine and Iraq veteran in the band who played Techno Banner as loudly and as proudly as anyone else in the band. I will thank you not to make sweeping generalizations.

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Anonymous posted on

And I would thank you not to call the individual an "ex-Marine".....Once a Marine, always a Marine (though the term "former Marine" is acceptable when referring to a Marine who is no longer actively serving)

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Anonymous posted on

Thank you for the pedantic and irrelevant semantic correction. Of course, the terminology used to refer to said veteran is completely relevant to the point...

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ColumbiaSpectator posted on

Great to hear so much feedback. Anyone who attended the Columbia-Cornell game last Saturday, please email sports@columbiaspectator.com if you would like to be interviewed for a follow-up story. 

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Anonymous posted on

To the first part of your comment, I'd like to point out that at every game I've been to, I've heard the band play fanfares for first downs and Roar for touchdowns. I think they even do pushups every time the team scores? They are clearly paying attention to the game and as a group love the sport. 

But the bigger issue I have with your post is how incredibly inappropriate it is for a parent to write something like this. I understand that you may be upset and offended, but what gives you the right to insult your son's peers? Your opinions about whether the band is funny or not are just that: opinions. While the band may be somewhat excused as being young and caught up in the moment, nothing gives a parent the right to set such a bad example to the next generation. If you think this is the kind of thing that will make anybody change his or her mind, you are sorely mistaken. 

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Anonymous posted on

We do pushups and pyramids everytime the team scores. At Harvard and at other schools, they have the cheerleaders do the pushups.

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Anonymous posted on

You used the word "stupid" three separate times.  Might I suggest Thesaurus.com?

Also, the phrase "you couldn't even begin to know when the team made a first down much less a touchdown" is illogical (in addition to missing a comma).  A touchdown is much more obvious than a first down, so the correct insult would be "you wouldn't know when the team scored a touchdown, much less got a first down," since comprehending a first down would theoretically be less likely.

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Anonymous posted on

Also, they clearly know when a first down occurs, 'cause they play that stupid moose song every single time!

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Anonymous posted on

thanks for the support, Cornell!

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Anonymous posted on

Even fascist SUNY Ithacans like us know: the band always wins!  And it seems you did, as of half an hour ago.  Congratulations! We send you our best wishes from the frozen tundra.

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Anonymous posted on

Also, if you think that adding an extra beat to each measure of the national anthem (playing it in four instead of in three for the musically inclined among you) constitutes "turning our national anthem into a total disgrace,"  then I think there's a larger problem here...

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Anonymous posted on

This football team and its coaches is the saddest group of crybabies. No wonder they can't win a game. Banning the marching band only calls more attention to the team's pathetic record on the field and shows the world what is really wrong with this team and its coaches. 

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As a former College and GSAS student who suffered through the 44-game losing streak, I am chagrined that the band was barred from the Cornell game. If the band were consistently disrespectful of Columbia football, it would be one thing. But this was a one-off incident, a blowing-off of steam, and an ultimately harmless exception. Give the kids a break.

I agree with the alum who said that "Columbia Athletics under Dr. Murphy has a history of being disrespectful and vindictive toward various student groups." She further strikes me as a humorless control freak who has taken much of the spontaneity and fun out of Homecoming and tailgating at Baker Field. 
A minor correction: "Roar, Lion Roar" is not a "century-old" fight song. It made its debut in the 1923 Varsity Show "Half Moon Inn" with the same tune but different lyrics as "Bold Buccaneers". By my arithmetic, that's more like 84 years, not 100.

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Anonymous posted on

Actually, the band has been saying these lyrics for a few games, but the coaches only heard it at Cornell. Multiple fans have complained about the lyrics previously, but the administration was only just notified. The band has been consistently disrespectful so they have been punished for that consistent disrespect.

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voxrepublica posted on

Fordham band alum weighing in.  Columbia's band is clever, sardonic (what else would you expect from a bunch of New York ivies?), and probably the most fun college band I wasn't a part of--outside of ECAC hockey schools, whose bands are quite literally the most drunk and least sane humans to get degrees in chemical engineering.

As for the complaining parents/alumni/general wet blankets: have you ever been in a position where you were essentially forced at (largely metaphorical) gunpoint to waste a Saturday on a football team that couldn't beat a team of Golden Retrievers?  And not even Air Bud-caliber Golden Retrievers, the regular kind that enslobber our nation's tennis balls.  I've been in that position, and it's awful.  The band needs an outlet.  The football team can do their usual footballish stuff, like hitting other humans, and lo, it is a built-in pressure valve.  Playing music angrily, however... I'm not a flutist, but I can't imagine enraged fluting really assuages the frustrated musician's soul.

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Anonymous posted on

The best part is, we have no attendance requirement. Anyone who goes to games goes voluntarily. no gun point involved. and yet we still get flak. Screw you, M Dianne, I'm going out of my way to "waste" a saturday to support your sucky team. a word of thanks would be appreciated. And lots not forget all the sporting events (mostly basketball games) where the band (again, voluntarily) makes up between 50-100 percent of the fans in attendance...

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I am an athlete at Columbia on a different team and come to support my friends at Football and Basketball games. While I think you guys are funny sometimes and can obviously play instruments, I am so embarrassed by your "jokes" and performances. Honestly, and I think I speak for a majority of the athletes and students here, would rather see you guys disbanded and have a REAL marching band put in place with people who were part of REAL marching bands in high school with REAL uniforms and who play REAL music with REAL halftime shows. You guys are SUCH a joke and embarrass almost everyone on a consistent basis with your lack of professionalism. It's embarrassing that you even call yourself CUMB. 

The last thing I am going to say goes against some of the above but I want to just put it out there... I've spoken to a lot of the football players before and after the Cornell incident, and they had only positive things to say about you guys and admired that you were at the games, but no one is going to give you an award for coming "voluntarily" to the games... big f-ing deal... you come and bring an instrument and have no idea what it's like to actually play a sport or dedicate countless hours to practice, working out, watching film etc. Don't even come at us with that angle like you sacrifice so much. But what is most disappointing is that you let other students down in a public setting at an AWAY game. If there was ever a way to embarrass yourselves and our school, that was it! So good job. Go sulk that you can't send your Seniors off on sunday and use that time to think about how much of a let down you were last weekend and maybe we'll see some changes and some professionalism at the Basketball games from here on out.

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Anonymous posted on

I was a part of a "real" marching band in high school. Drum major in fact. as were about half of the current members of the CUMB. And let's be clear, nobody's expecting an award for going to these games voluntarily, nor do we claim to be sacrificing anything. We go because we enjoy it. The point is not to whine about it, the point is to demonstrate that there's nothing motivating or forcing us to go to games other than our desire to support the school and its teams. Don't come at US with the argument that we don't care about the teams, don't understand what's going on in the games, and don't have an interest in the team's success or failure. we do. and if we sometimes get frustrated with the team's profound lack of success, that should only serve to emphasize this point. Clearly you are not a real new york sports fan... angsting about failure and even occasionally jeering our own players when they suck is a way of life here. I'm not saying that's appropriate for a Columbia football game, nor does it excuse the band's behavior in this instance, but let's have some perspective here..

Also, other than Cornell, which is essentially a bad high school band (I kid you not when I say that most of the high school bands I competed against put them to shame) all the other schools in the Ivy League have a looooong tradition of non-traditional bands. If you wanted a Big Ten band, you should have gone to a Big Ten school.

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But every other Ivy League Band at least gives off the appearance of an extremely more refined and legitimate show.  I enjoy the band at the games but even if you say you were a part of a "real" band in high school and the high school bands put them to shame, then I can only imagine what that must make our band look like. The jokes are sometimes funny and entertaining but we look extremely rag tag and disorganized. Just saying... you can't really make the argument against Cornell because they seem more legitimate than us.

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"But every other Ivy League Band at least gives off the appearance of an extremely more refined and legitimate show."

Go to a Penn game sometime. Penn Band has its own oddball/quirky/just plain weird traditions. Actually, go to any game at Penn, Harvard, Princeton, Dartmouth, Brown, or Yale with the bands in attendance. NONE of them have "legitimate marching band shows."

"you can't really make the argument against Cornell because they seem more legitimate than us."

Oh, please, like 3/4 of the Cornell band only participates for the P.E. credit. The CUMB actually cares about the team. What makes a band legitimate, the dedication of the bandos or their ability/willingness to march around forming rhombi during their shows?

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Anonymous posted on

You can only take it for PE credit one year. So I don't know what the rest of us are still doing here! Why am I still in band if I can't get credit for it? Thanks Penn (SUCKS), see you on Saturday (how's the cheeseman doing? Still kicking students out of band?)

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Anonymous posted on

As a parent of a Penn Band Alum, I say go scramble and stay irreverent!

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Um...speaking as a Band alumna, I knew next to no athletes personally, but had at least a dozen athletes come up to me - a random stranger from the Band - personally each year I was at Columbia to say things along the lines of "Dude, the Band ROCKS - we appreciate your support, keep playing, keep chanting..."  The basketball team in particular was very appreciative and would probably become quite upset with us if we became more "professional" (and ditched the cheers they love in the process).  I graduated in May, read, quite recently, so you'll forgive me if I'm a tad skeptical of your opinion.

I'm not even going to address the "REAL" shpeel - have a look at the other reply.  If you have a problem with scramble bands (or bad marching in general, as the Cornell Band, as stated, can't march for crap - my high school band also could have beaten them handily in competition), you shouldn't have come to the Ivy League.  Sorry to burst your bubble.

Does the fact that we don't play sports have anything to do with your argument?  Just wondering.

Also - how many football games have you actually been to?  Because in the five years that I've been aware of/kept an eye on CU football, they've always played on Saturdays...not Sunday...just saying.

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Thanks for pointing out the typo and thankfully we have people like you at and who have gone to this school commenting in this blog correcting people's grammar and other mistakes that serve only to distract from the true point of the argument and article.  As for "real" NY sports fans, they would never Boo their team as they came off of a heartbreaking loss, regardless of whether their record was 0-9, 9-0 or how bad the loss was - which is basically what you all did after Cornell and there is really just no excuse. Second, there is no problem with scramble bands, but every other Ivy seems to have a band that at least looks put together and professional, and you proved this weekend and with every other crude joke or cheer that Columbia does not. But this is aside the point. To get back to it, I hope you speak for the majority when you claim that you all come because you support the teams, and not because you expect a trophy for showing up and putting on mediocre performances, because a lot of other "band supporters" writing in seem to be arguing the opposite. I really don't have much sympathy - obviously everyone would prefer having the band there to play music and support, but if it's going to come with unprofessional and ridiculous renditions of fight songs and anthems, Columbia Athletics doesn't need you...

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"As for "real" NY sports fans, they would never Boo their team as they came off of a heartbreaking loss"
Are you familiar with a "Bronx Cheer"?  Last time I checked, the Bronx was part of New York...

P.S. Since I know how much you like people correcting your grammar, there was no need to capitalize "Boo."

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I agree that there is no excuse, and I am there every saturday as well because I am not only on another spirit team, I am a big fan of Columbia Athletics in general.  The band does make it fun, but there is no excuse to heckle the team you are there to support especially when you are a member of an organization designated to support the team who is playing.  They are being punished, and I hope it changes how they act in the future because it is fun to have the band play music and the fight song.  I will, however, still be there this Saturday without them, and frankly, I would rather be there without them if they make it harder to support and cheer on the players.  We all know there are few if any hardcore or diehard fans of any Columbia team, so we should respect the fans who come out to the games and encourage them to keep coming.  Not bash the team we are there to support and make the fans who support the team uncomfortable.  

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So, I think i speak for most band members when I say that no one is sulking. We're all a little bummed, but we also recognize that we messed up. We're still going to be at the game, and sure, I won't get recognized in the same way that band seniors in the past have been, but I'll still be happy to be there. We're not a group of unreasonable individuals, on the contrary, I'd say we're all a bunch of fun loving people who like playing our instruments, enjoy comedy (even if you don't...) and don't feel like walking in straight lines. 

Thanks for the criticism, but back off a little bit with the accusations. We aren't protesting in the streets. We aren't defiantly showing up with our instruments. We know what we did was out of line, and we've accepted our punishment. 

So yeah...sulking? Meh, not so much.  

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Anonymous posted on

Hear, hear!

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http://www.columbiaspectator.c...

Old article that Spec ran about the band that I'd like to quote:"Though the band has yet to stir up any controversy since [...whoops...], it still serves as one of Columbia’s most prominent spirit groups. At every football and basketball game, the band attempts to incite support from an often silent crowd—an interesting feat from a group that doesn’t actually require sports interest from its members. While a band member does not have to be a sprots fan, however, school spirit is the main prerequisite.
“While you don’t have to be a sports fan, members of the band almost always have a good amount of Columbia spirit,” said CUMB Drum Master Hancy Huemer. “It is true that you don’t always have to know what is going on, but I think it would be hard to be in the band—or any spirit group—if you didn’t have any school spirit. The band goes every week to the football and basketball games, no matter what the record of the team may be, and cheers and plays. If you don’t have some sense of spirit, that isn’t an easy thing to do."
For a group that claims to not need interest in the game itself, the band is practically as much of a time commitment as playing for the team it supports—for those who want it to be. The band rehearses at Teachers College, twice a week during football season and once a week during basketball season. As CUMB Treasurer Hilary Baboukis said, “Band is as much of a commitment as you want to make it.”"We care. And we're sorry about what happened at Cornell. Let's move on.

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As a parent of a senior band member who has spent $220,000 to send my child to columbia all I can say to lame football team and ad FU!!!!!!!!!!

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Just out Of curiosity how did you spend 220k when Columbia is only 36k a year?

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Anonymous posted on

Tuition Room and board add up to 50k+ a year, plus books, etc. Source: Columbia financial aid website

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Unless you are a GS student, then it is a little over 60k a year

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wow. setting a great example there, parent.

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I miss Drum Master Hancy.

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Reading the responses from bandies and their acolytes, the band seems to readily admit that it is a performance troupe, not really a band. 

If the athletics department doesn't want an avant-garde performance group at its games, what's the controversy?

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Guess you haven't taken Music Hum yet...last time I checked, playing music in front of people counts as performing.  Of course, the CUMB does other things as well, but all of them involve music.  Here's a hint for the future: if there's a group of people in front of you playing music with various instruments, they're probably a band. 

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huh? most performances I've seen include more than 50% of the performance as spoken word from the announcer, while people on stilts holding toilet seats run around the field. The instruments tend to be secondary to the rest of the act. Not to mention, what kind of "band" plays the toilet seat in the first place?

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I don't play the toilet seat. I play the flute. I have played flute for 11 years and am in three other music groups on campus. While the band does put a lot of emphasis on the script, we are a band and we take the music we play seriously. We are also a 100% welcoming group, where anyone can join, regardless of musical background. The CUMB does not actually play the toilet seat at this point in time, but when we do have bandies on the field playing less-than-traditional instruments, it is, in fact, because we, unlike so many student groups, do not have prerequisites for joining. I believe this unconditional acceptance in something that is lacking in this world, and should be commended, not seen as offensive.

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The "avant-garde performance group" to which you refer consists of Columbia football's only remaining fans ...

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Yes and now Athletics has made sure that the stands at Baker Field will be even more empty than usual, since  no band alum, band parents or band supporters will be there. So sad.

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Don’t forget what they did during the pre-game. Part of their parody was the national anthem. Everyone on both sides did stand even though they were confused. It was a terrible rendition (appeared to be intentional) and the band members were being goofy during it. This was particularly offensive since it was Veteran's Day weekend.

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again, i refer yo to my earlier comment regarding the iraq veteran in the band...

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As a veteran who is not affiliated with the band or the football team, I would just like to say that (a) I don't need a whole weekend - Veterans Day was Friday and that was more than good enough for me. If this had happened on Nov. 30, would you have said "this was particularly offensive since it was the month of Veteran's [sic] Day?" Let's not get crazy here. And (b) playing a techno version or whatever of the National Anthem is not offensive. If you think it is, I would advise you to avoid attending Major League Baseball games, where I frequently see idiots who have somehow turned baseball bats into nearly perfect simulators of wounded cat howls, on which they play the National Anthem. That crap is far more offensive than slightly changing the tone or whatever the band did.

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The person (Guest) who posted the very frank opinion has a right to that opinion.  I happen to agree with much of what was said.  I have been at many of the games with people who are having their first exposure to Columbia's so-called MB and they are blown away by the antics.  In many ways it comes across as a joke and I think it is intended that way.  To make fun of the opposing team's school, in sometimes clever ways and sometimes not so clever ways.  

I was at the Cornell game and visiting with some friends on the Cornell side when the so called parody of the national anthem was played.  I would say that 99% of the people in the stands did not know that this was part of a parody, and took it quite seriously that it was the playing of our national anthem as demonstrated by the entire population of the stadium standing and taking and honoring the flag.  I am not too sure that the CUMB realizes that not everybody out there including Columbian fans are in tune with their sense of humor and their overall "schtick", which when you look at it is all about what guest says above:  "You are attention seeking spoiled brats trying to be funny and you are not, ever!"  I guess this is the schtick and some just don't like it.  I happen to think it is a little out there myself!

Being on the Cornell side when this was happening, I can tell you that many unfavorable comments toward the Columbia MB after the "Techno Anthem" was played.  I dismissed it as the normal antics of the band, but must admit I was a little taken back and somewhat embarrassed by the decision to do that.  Let's face it our band is quirky and in some ways represent the quirkiness of CU if that is the way the school, athletic dept and marching band leadership agree they want to be represented. As "the Andrew Mochulsky" said above, "Columbia's band is clever, sardonic (what else would you expect from a bunch of New York ivies?), it kind of says to me that we are kind of a joke as "the Andrew" suggests and as the "guest" above suggests. Since it has been going on so long I assume that everyone is okay with it.  I accept it for what it is!!!  

Just as the football players put their hearts and souls into being competitive and trying to win games to positively represent the university, I am sure that many of the CUMB members do the same in expressing themselves through their showmanship on the field.  It is unfortunate that a select few of the quirkier members of the MB decided to take a parodic shoot at the FB team as they exited the field.  This was truly non-supportive and extremely poor judgement on their part.  There should be some accountability for inappropriate actions and these were inappropriate.  In fact it casts a negative perspective on the entire CUMB as a larger group.  

When you see things like the above from "Rocklandcopy", a parent of a band member who sounds remorseful that they have spent, not invested $220,000 to to send there kid to CU, it is no surprise that that we get this kind of disrespect from a small segment of the band at the end of the Cornell game.  They are just taking their cues from the example of their parents.  Unfortunately, their post casts a negative cloud over the greater group of the band when in fact it is one classless remorseful parent, who needed to use inappropriate expletives to express him/herself.

Let's keep in mind that the football team is held accountable every week.  And it is public knowledge for everyone to see if they performed or did not perform.  I am sure the coaches are going to be held accountable and we shall see at the end of the season.  

As for the band, I am not sure how they are held accountable.  I totally disagree with old "Andrew M." above regarding and I quote:  "have you ever been in a position where you were essentially forced at (largely metaphorical) gunpoint to waste a Saturday on a football team that couldn't beat a team of Golden Retrievers?".  Hey "the Andrew", NOBODY,  either on the band or on the football team has anybody forcing them to be there!!!  All of these you men and women are on the field on Saturday because they choose to be there on their own free will.  They are not on scholarships and there is definitely no one pointing anything (metaphorically or otherwise) at them.  These are the future leaders in our communities, they are all the creme de la creme.  No one wants to lose and these players and band-members are all winners because they are smart and they have chosen to participate in extra curricular activities because they choose to for no other reason than there own pride and they stay with it, win lose or draw.  I am proud of them all. 

I think that the "Guest immediately above says it best:  "Reading the responses from bandies and their acolytes, the band seems to readily admit that it is a performance troupe, not really a band. If the athletics department doesn't want an avant-garde performance group at its games, what's the controversy?"  I think the band crossed the line last Saturday and now it sounds like the athletics department has spoken; and they are holding the band accountable for the inappropriate actions demonstrated at the game last week.  As much as I am sorry for the band members not responsible for these actions, I applaud the athletics department for taking the stand and making sure that there are appropriate consequences.  I know that many members of the athletic department are feeling the heat for the FB performance and rightly so.  I am sure they are going to be accountable for their results in a very public way, at the end of the season, and rightly so!!!

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I'm not sure where you got "Columbia's band is a joke" from "Columbia's band is clever, sardonic [...] and probably the most fun college band I wasn't a part of," because I'm having trouble gleaning that meaning--which is doubly strange, as I'm the one that originally posted it.

As for Columbia's band not being on scholarship, again, I'm speaking as a Fordham alum that got to enjoy the Columbia band as a spectator and sort-of competitor.  At Fordham, band scholarships were (and I assume still are) tied at least in part to attendance at football and basketball games.  If nothing else, I think that gives the Columbia band even more leeway: as we would suffer through frequent athletic ineptitude for financial reasons, the wonderful maniacs at Columbia do so out of what I can only assume is a concurrent love for music and their school.  That's awesome--and rare.

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anybody who is supposed to be SUPPORTING any team and instead mocks them and makes them feel bad about themselves should be banned from athletic events for the whole YEAR. as an athlete, i can't tell you how bad it feels to loose, but to be MOCKED by supporters directly after? that's pouring salt in a fresh wound. as a supporter of a senior football player for CU, i am appalled at the marchning band. i'm glad he gets to play his game against brown without any naysayers in the bleachers. 

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The band will still be at the game, just not in uniform. They're still students. And they will be the most supportive people there by a LOT.

Hope your senior friend enjoys his senior recognition ceremony sans band. Believe it or not, he might actually miss the sound of a fanfare after his name is called.

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If by "naysayers" you mean "anybody," then that's probably valid. I wonder how they'll like playing for a completely silent, if not empty crowd... I suggest you ask the basketball team what it's like playing at the ONE home game a year that the band misses because we travel with whatever team (men's or women's) is away that day... It's a much emptier, and bleaker Levien Gym, that's for sure.

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Anonymous posted on

You're right. There won't be any naysayers in the bleachers who won't be calling for Coach Wilson to be fired or for other offensive and defensive schemes or won't be yelling at the players on the field to play better. Definitely better to get rid of the band who actually plays songs for the team when they do things well, along with casually mock the Alma Mater at the end of a game once.

Seriously. Grow up. If the football player you support can't take some ribbing, that's pretty sad.

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Anonymous posted on

also, why don't we let the marching band suit up one saturday and go play football against other division 1 teams. when they get the living crap knocked out of them maybe we can all stand over them and chant about what losers they are and complain and ask them why they didn't win.

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voxrepublica posted on

I suppose it's fair enough if the football team grabs instruments, performs, and then get relentlessly mocked on the internet.

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Anonymous posted on

That's not a bad idea, actually. It's not like they could do any worse than the real football team...

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Anonymous posted on

Did everyone miss the part where the band regrets what they did and apologized?

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Anonymous posted on

to whom?

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Anonymous posted on

I played in a rival band for years and was always floored with how little respect the CUMB got from Athletics. They're there for every single game to play your fight songs and support the school even when the football team is horrifically terrible. CUMB, maybe you should consider joining up with the visiting band each week and see whether Athletics likes it better when people are only cheering against Columbia.

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Anonymous posted on

I'm still waiting for someone to explain why athletics consistently antagonizes a group that explicitly exists to support the team at athletic events, does it more loudly, more obviously, and more consistently than ANYONE, not any fan, or any spirit group, but ANYONE on this campus, and, as pointed out by "franchise" does it VOLUNTARILY. Is there an element of the band that exercised poor judgement in a particular instance? yes. Was the situation handled, in the appropriate way, and by the appropriate people within the band leadership? yes. I was on the band bus immediately after the incident in question, when one of the coaches expressed his disappointment to our drum major. It was made clear to the band, by the leadership that this was not acceptable, should not have happened, and cannot happen again. When I say unacceptable, I don't mean by athletics' standards or by the football team's standards, but by the BAND's standards, and that was made ABUNDANTLY clear. The situation was handled. End of story. time to move on. Athletics' reaction, quite frankly, is unnecessary overkill.

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Anonymous posted on

 I wouldn't mind a win now and then.

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Anonymous posted on

How could they ban the marching band now?  We're only one game away from a perfect season!

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Anonymous posted on

I am an athlete at Columbia on a different team and come to support my friends at Football and Basketball games. While I think you guys are funny sometimes and can obviously play instruments, I am so embarrassed by your "jokes" and performances. Honestly, and I think I speak for a majority of the athletes and students here, would rather see you guys disbanded and have a REAL marching band put in place with people who were part of REAL marching bands in high school with REAL uniforms and who play REAL music with REAL halftime shows. You guys are SUCH a joke and embarrass almost everyone on a consistent basis with your lack of professionalism. It's embarrassing that you even call yourself CUMB. The last thing I am going to say goes against some of the above but I want to just put it out there... I've spoken to a lot of the football players before and after the Cornell incident, and they had only positive things to say about you guys and admired that you were at the games, but no one is going to give you an award for coming "voluntarily" to the games... big f-ing deal... you come and bring an instrument and have no idea what it's like to actually play a sport or dedicate countless hours to practice, working out, watching film etc. Don't even come at us with that angle like you sacrifice so much. But what is most disappointing is that you let other students down in a public setting at an AWAY game. If there was ever a way to embarrass yourselves and our school, that was it! So good job. Go sulk that you can't send your Seniors off on sunday and use that time to think about how much of a let down you were last weekend and maybe we'll see some changes and some professionalism at the Basketball games from here on out.

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Anonymous posted on

Being a bandie, I totally recognize that mocking the football team was perhaps not the greatest idea and was inappropriate. However, I would also second that the CUMB is actually the most support that the Columbia football team receives- we have been at every single game, rain or snow, to support the team (and it doesn't hurt to point out that the team has not won a single game). The band raises the spirit of the games, the band provides the entertainment, and the band is always there to support our boys, win or lose. We enjoy what we do, we have fun doing it, and we try to include everyone in this event. We will still be there cheering on the team this week without our rugbies, if that doesn't show you dedication.

Banning the band from this last game of the season was way too harsh. This is an important game for the band, as we pass down the torch to the next generation of bandies, but also it is the final culminating game of the season.

These are two separate issues: the band being inappropriate, and the football team not winning a single game all season.. again. I love how the team's loss resulted in the band getting hit, even though we've been their most consistent supporters.

I would just like to point out that various people in the Columbia stands at our Cornell game this year spoke to our band telling us that WE were the only reason they come to Columbia football games.

...really interested to see the turn out this week

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Anonymous posted on

I am an athlete at Columbia on a different team and come to support my friends at Football and Basketball games. While I think you guys are funny sometimes and can obviously play instruments, I am so embarrassed by your "jokes" and performances. Honestly, and I think I speak for a majority of the athletes and students here, would rather see you guys disbanded and have a REAL marching band put in place with people who were part of REAL marching bands in high school with REAL uniforms and who play REAL music with REAL halftime shows. You guys are SUCH a joke and embarrass almost everyone on a consistent basis with your lack of professionalism. It's embarrassing that you even call yourself CUMB. The last thing I am going to say goes against some of the above but I want to just put it out there... I've spoken to a lot of the football players before and after the Cornell incident, and they had only positive things to say about you guys and admired that you were at the games, but no one is going to give you an award for coming "voluntarily" to the games... big f-ing deal... you come and bring an instrument and have no idea what it's like to actually play a sport or dedicate countless hours to practice, working out, watching film etc. Don't even come at us with that angle like you sacrifice so much. But what is most disappointing is that you let other students down in a public setting at an AWAY game. If there was ever a way to embarrass yourselves and our school, that was it! So good job. Go sulk that you can't send your Seniors off on sunday and use that time to think about how much of a let down you were last weekend and maybe we'll see some changes and some professionalism at the Basketball games from here on out.

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Anonymous posted on

Band.. You're a joke

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Anonymous posted on

What is the problem here.  I have been to CU Football games over the years and notwithstanding the setbacks of the football program, the band simply sucks.  Why should anyone take this news seriously when the band does not take itself seriously.  Whay are they give a forum in the first place.  I enjoyed the other teams' bands at halftime more.  Don't cry for these gasbags.  Don't give them a forum.  they want to entertain, tell to go play for the people in Zuccotti Park, where no doubt, their "humor" will be better appreciated. 

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Anonymous posted on

We scored 41 points last game? Bravo! Why is CU the only Ivy without a hockey team? That's what we need and the band would be fabulous on ice skates.

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Anonymous posted on

As a former member of an Ivy band, I have dealt with Columbia's athletics department before, and they are EXTREMELY oversensitive to any suggestion that their football team has been... less than successful. Which, frankly, makes them look worse. Though I will say that since the athletics people have been like this for at least four or five years, it seems surprising that the band would take the risk of singing dump lyrics in public; surely they knew the department would freak out...?

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Anonymous posted on

If athletics is to learn one thing out of all of this, it is that the band always wins!!

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Anonymous posted on

my columbia host was probably one of the nicest away game hosts i've ever had :)
granted, the CUMB is a little raunchier and more inappropriate than most scramble bands in the ivy league, but that fact remains that they are probably among the most stalwart fans of Columbia's football (and athletics), given their abysmal performance this year.
yes, the band doesn't quite get up to the level of physical training that the athletic teams have to do.  but they do have to write a new show every week, get new music, and practice the music+formations (maybe?  i like to think that you do try).  it's doubly difficult to do all that, and perform, and have fun at a game, especially when your AD hates you and a good portion of your fans have no idea what you're doing/dislike you for it.
the columbia AD strikes me as deluded hard-asses.... when our band came to visit, we asked them for two hours of practice time on one of their practice fields.  they gave us one hour, with the excuse that the hour before was needed for maintenance (bullshit, because there was no one there, but understandable, i suppose...), and the hour after was needed so that fans could start filing in for a soccer game (actually bullshit.  there was no one there, not even the soccer team).  also, they censor every mention of columbia.  i understand how much you crave respect, but learn to live with a little class and humor.  just because we say you are derpy lions doesn't actually mean you are.  stop taking out your rage on student groups.

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Anonymous posted on

The band has been banned, but they should still show up with kazoos and still play. Serves the team right. Maybe if the football team will win a game to get the band off their backs.

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Anonymous posted on

This was a very juvenile reaction from the coach and the athletic dept, after all this is college not middle school.  I'm sure some of the football players were upset but what about the band seniors.  As someone pointed out they have traditions also and they also have feelings.  It just doesnt seem like the way we would expect college age adult to react.  I support the band whole heartedly.

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Samuel Chappell posted on

I don't go to Columbia. I went to the University of Southern Mississippi. After reading this story, I feel that CUMB was wrong in directing their "song" towards the football players. Instead, they should have vented their feelings towards the coaching staff. It is they who are ultimately responsible for training the players and guiding the game as it is being played. If the players are having a bad year, fire the coaching staff and replace them with people who know what the hell they are doing. It makes no sense to me to keep funding a program when everybody, very deep down, knows that the team will ultimately lose. I am sure that, if asked, many other colleges would say that Columbia's football team sucks, and that it's biggest problem is the coaching staff. So, as far as the players go, cut them some slack CUMB. Save your "cleverness" for the coaching staff. Start a petition or something around campus to have the whole lot of them fired. Peace, Good Fortune, Long Life to all and their families.

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Anonymous posted on

The band is a great source of entertainment for the football and basketball games; however they had no right mocking the football team's record.  If they say they really do enjoy watching the games and supporting the athletes, then they would never have done that. I realize they often change the words of the fight song, which can often be funny, but poking fun at the team they are "supporting" is not acceptable. They should not be whining about the decision that was made and they have to deal with the consequences of their actions. No matter what some may think about the football team, they work extremely hard and are obviously heartbroken over their record, so they don't need their "biggest supporters" making fun of them.

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Anonymous posted on

Hey Band Bombs! You are absolutely clueless. You have no idea what it feels like to be on a losing team of any sort. There is no place for that type of foolishness; these young men are devoting their time and effort into trying to win a game for a bunch of ungrateful jerks. These guys are not on scholarship, and they have not been recruited to play ball for Columbia. They are doing it on their own and still trying to go to school. Only to be ridiculed by unsensitive idiots. SHAME ON YOU ALL!

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Anonymous posted on

My only connection to Columbia was hearing about The Streak when I was a teenager growing up in New York (and hoping they'd win just once), so I have no dog in the fight. I just wanted to say that I support CUMB. What did M. Dianne Murphy expect after another painful loss, "Nearer, My God, to Thee"? CUMB at least seems to have a great sense of humor about the team's current situation.

I'd also want to point out to M. Dianne Murphy that it's hard to make an argument with a straight face about damaging team morale when the team in question is already 0-9 with one game left. With a little more time spent figuring out how to improve athletics and a little less time spent fretting over how the band reacts to what's on the field, 0-9 might not have happened.

To CUMB: may the band play on.

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Anonymous posted on

This is hilarious. Keep on being funny, CUMB.

And remember, maybe someday your team will be in the top ten for two years in a row.
NAH.- stanford

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rtclovesmac posted on

Grow up Columbia....if the band can hurt you that way, no wonder you cannot win a game....no heart, no humor. You should turn this to your advantage and win one so the Lions can Roar with pride.

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Grace Elizabeth posted on

Maybe the marching band wouldn't make fun of the football team, if the football team didn't suck so fucking hard! Don't like it, whiny crybabies? START WINNING. Seriously. Do these brats on the football team get scholarships to come here? Maybe I should sign up so I don't have to pay my way through college. What difference would it make anyway? Team's still losing. Meanwhile I'm wondering if I'm gonna be on the fucking street next semester. I bet no one stood up and cried the blues when those same football players asserted their superiority over their high school marching bands and treated those kids like shit.

CUMB, you're the only part of the football game worth watching. You guys rocked at Homecoming, and made those silly UPenn brats look like losers! The entire Columbia Athletics can get down on their knees and SMD. Except for Men's Swim and Dive, there's all kind of kinky things I'd rather have them do to me.

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Anonymous posted on

the only thing is they need a coach and I would be willing to show them there winning ways. They can call me at 214-607-6912. Or email me at jprgifts2@yahoo.com. I can make a deal with the college. And I can tell them with 3 years of me coming head coach. But I will be working with this and winning a few games each year. I do not know where this college is at or what kind of group they have to get players in there. But it really does not matter to me I can turn this football program around and make it pround of the school. William Morrow

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Anonymous posted on

All those who are commenting about a "disappointing" season and Athletic department should realize that teams have good and bad years, and no matter the result of the game, its important to remember just how much effort the team puts into the sport.  Losses happen, bad years happen, and its not fun, but its just how sports go.  Unfortunately, this is one of those years.  The band is there to support the team, win or lose, because they especially know what it is like to commit to such a big thing.  The band does show up to all the football games and that is absolutely great.  Its really nice of them to offer their support, but they have to realize, they are they to SUPPORT the team, not the heckle them.  Being a member of a "spirit group", which I think Columbia defines as the band, the cheerleaders, the dance team and Roar-ee Lion, means that you support the team who is playing ALWAYS.  Not just when they win and its easy to be happy for them, but also when they lose and are bound to be upset about it.  Thats a main reason for groups like the band or spirit groups in general, to keep the crowd, fans, and players enthusiastic about the team even in the event of a bad game.  Being a member of another spirit group at Columbia, I know how tricky it can be at times, but this does not excuse rude behavior to members of our own student body who put in countless hours of practice, meetings and games to try to build up the football program.  It must be very hard to do all of that on top of the difficult course load that everyone here must take, so it is important to remember, as the article said, that the football team is part of our student body.  Just as it is important to treat the football team with respect, it is equally important to treat the band with respect as well.  I think that the band does a great job and certainly shows a great deal of commitment.  I am at all the football and basketball games as well, so I know that they do work very hard and also do not deserve to be bashed here, as many comments have.  Unfortunately, they made a judgment in error, and this came with consequences.  It is unfortunate that it is the last football game for the band seniors, but they did not in that moment at last weeks game do the job they signed up for when they chose to be on the band and to support our athletic teams.  I agree that there are probably few other people that care about the football team as much as the band, but there are people out there who do.  The cheerleaders, Roar-ee and the dance team all show their support as well, good game or bad.  As the article states, there are also parents, fans, siblings, and groups of young local kids who attend nearly every home game who really look up to the players.  The band should not have acted that way, and they are being punished for it.  I do think that they do not deserve to be bashed for one mistake, though.  

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Anonymous posted on

"As for "real" NY sports fans, they would never Boo their team as they
came off of a heartbreaking loss, regardless of whether their record was
0-9, 9-0 or how bad the loss was"

Have you ever met a New York sports fan?

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Anonymous posted on

One of the best and most unique thing about Columbia Athletics -- yes, athletics -- is the wry, funny and often edgy humor of the CUMB. I'm really sorry that the Athletics Department has no sense of humor about this and doesn't realize the band is an attendance draw and are an institution in the sports scene at CU.  And the strange this is that THIS is what crosses the line? Just telling the truth about a losing streak? Not the Tribute to Roman Polanski, decades ago, where they played Thank Heaven For Little Girls? When Northwestern was on a losing streak when I attended there in the 1970s, NU's cheerleaders made fun of the teams' low standings in the Big Ten by obnoxiously highlighting the fact that NU had great academics rather than good sports teams, with offensive-but-funny cheers like, "That's all right, that's OK, you're gonna work for us one day," Or "We have higher SATs!" Deliberately lame and self-deprecating. Don't know why CU Athletics can't see this as the light comedy that it is, and realize that the CUMB brings in a lot of their audience/spectators.

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Anonymous posted on

If this is justified, teams all across the country should be banned for not giving a shit about their band. The band is literally there to support the team, and the justification is that they aren't appreciating other's efforts? 

More and more shit like this every day I swear, grow a pair and start winning some games or learn to laugh at yourself don't do this.

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iSkyscraper posted on

Missed most of the media firestorm, but these things do happen every few years or so to an Ivy or Stanford scramble band.  I will point out that the CUMB does not help its cause by playing less music than any other Ivy band during games -- some of that may be your admin blasting canned music over you, some of it may be the fact that your teams always lose.  But seriously, do an objective study of how much the CUMB plays during a football or basketball game (number and type of songs, cheers, cadences) and compare to other Ivy bands and you will find it lacking.  Whole quarters can pass by with almost no sound.   A little more pep would grant you a little more support during these kinds of periodic (and inevitable) blowups.

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I graduated in 2004, and it's amazing things really don't change much, in some ways. My junior year, I believe it was, the team went 1-9 (0-7 Ivy), and the band got berated by the Catholic League on national TV for saying during halftime that Fordham's tuition was going "down like an altar boy." And they still called themselves CUMB. Having volunteered for Varsity C in the years since, I've seen the strides Dr. Murphy has made in terms of what this program has become, in terms of closing the gap. Back when I played, some of the teams didn't even wear Columbia colors or own Columbia warm-up gear, the stands at games were often half empty, no one (other than the band) knew the words to "Roar Lion Roar," and the discrepancy between the amount of money our department was raising each year compared to the next-worst Ivy was more than double. And beyond fencing, cross country, and archery, we weren't even close to consistently competitive. I hate to sound like an old fogie, but kids at Columbia now don't realize just how good they have it compared to what it was then. Although I think banning the band was a little too harsh, I kind of get it -- the only way for Columbia Athletics to stop being the butt of jokes about how bad we are is to start believing we're a school worth rooting for. And even though no one really takes the band seriously, that attitude of "we really suck, let's shout it from the rooftops" doesn't really do much to get students excited about their sports teams, and even more importantly, it doesn't encourage prospective student-athletes with the talent to help turn the program around to want to come here.

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